I REFUSE to believe that elections are the only way to democracy! How many rulers had been elected and turned out to be mass murderers?
Morsi in the first round got only 20% of the votes. In the second and because it was either Shafiq or Morsi, people, mostly revolutionaries voted for Morsi, disregarding how much MBs and Islamists have victimized them in trying to appeal to the SCAF, get the parliamentary seats, and they have blessed them for killing us...most people voted for Morsi nonetheless for not wanting military man Shafiq in power, including 16 y-o Jika who voted for him for the same reason and got killed protesting against his policies.
People gave Morsi legitimacy through the ballot boxes, and took it away from him in the squares!
Morsi & the MB are the ones who have long been cooperating with the SCAF, justifying their crimes, criminalizing us for revolting against the military junta. Islamists had accused Tahrir Woman who has been stripped off her clothes by the army, of starting it, attacking the military forces, undressing herself too. They have demanded in their Islamist owned parliament that the police be armed by more weapons against "thugs" of Mohamed Mahmoud, aka revolutionaries against the SCAF. Hundreds have lost eyesight and have been killed ever since SCAF rule & MB collaborating with them during that time, and starting from ikhwan rule till our present time. The MB have facilitated, justified and participated in the army's crimes against protesters all through 2012.
The first time I protested against Morsi was 4 months after he had become president after he had issued a very oppressive and patronizing constitutional declaration, violating the rules of the constitutional court and the Law in general, and worse, he had immuned all his decisions, rather orders, issued in this declaration, saying it bluntly that no one, not even the judiciary, has the right to object. . At first I was not calling for the removal of the 4-months-old regime. I was only asking for my legal & constitutional rights after a revolution that took half of my friends, to guarantee the country would not be ruled again by one giant dictator who controls everything, has all powers.
At this protest, we were staging a very peaceful sit in (until the young members of MB came from 6-7 different cities in buses to attack it, which has resulted in many deaths) against Morsi's constitutional declaration and the the constituent assembly whose members are only Islamists. I don't have a problem with Islamists. I have a huge problem with the domination of one political force on the political scene, and the exclusion of all the other forces.
Journalist AL Hussieny ABu Dief was killed by them. He was only filming, performing his journalistic duty. they attacked him, killed him, stole his camera, and did this with many other reporters.
(Al hussieny abud dief, a journalist killed by ikhwan 4 months after morsi became president.)
They started to abduct many protesters, and the police stood silent, and the torture camps started, IN FRONT OF THE GATES OF THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACE. Even if Morsi did not ask them to do so, although he bulntly did in a speech, he did not stop them either.
Many different people, from many different social statuses came to stage the sit in, even former diplomats did.
Mubarak used to start vicious battles between protesters and security forces, and as vicious as they were, they are not as dangerous as Morsi's using his followers to fight his battles with the opponents. He is starting a civil war. He is inciting the people of the same nation, regardless of how politically different they are, or how much they disagree, against each other. Here is what has happened on that day. DO READ:
http://hebafaroukmahfouz.blogspot.com/2013/03/memories-from-first-clash-between.html
Jika was a 16 y-o student who thought everyone should vote for Morsi, for not wanting military man Shafik in power and he also celebrated Morsi's winning in Tahrir square. Months later, when the police was killing the revolutionary youth in Mohamed Mahmoud, he went to save his friends, and got killed in the process, at the very same spot he was celebrating Morsi's win.
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(Jika celebrating Morsi's win at Tahrir square, Mohamed Mahmoud street)
(Photo of Jika after he had been shot in anti-Morsi protest in Tahrir, same spot where he chanted for Morsi.)
(This is one of the many friends of Jika when we were in his funeral march, passing through Tahrir in honor of his activism after he had been killed.)
The same nation which a small part of it voted for Morsi has a bigger part of it now rebelling against him.
Revolutionary stance on Pro Morsi sit-ins:
I go to pro Morsi sit ins, trying to break the media blackout concerning their sit ins, and I'm against the media blackout regarding what is happening now at the #ikhwan sit ins, would never accept security forces' crackdown on them. This revolution started as an idea...for freedom, equality, bread and social justice. Ikhwan excluded all other forces from the political scene, and that was their biggest mistake, and the cause of their demise ( I am not gloating because they are "defeated now. That is so immoral), but they have taken away many rights from us, which they are asking for now. Right is right. wrong is wrong. and a principle remains a principle! Kill me, but I feel that the normal ikhwani members, not the leaders, believed they were fighting for an idea/project too. And regardless of how much I dislike it and disagree with it, but I know what a dream represents to a person, and it pains me that they now feel like their dream has been stolen, and I am not analyzing this politically, but...humanly maybe? I am not happy with how they feel now, not at all, but I do hope they learn from their mistakes and know that if they cause an injustice to people, the people are going to get their rights back. I hope every single politician, including, and especially the military, know for sure that this nation has tried and experienced many things in the past two years, and we are not going to be fooled again, and won;t settle for less. Down with Mubarak. Down with military rule forever and always, down with Ikhwan's rule and injustice. I still can not celebrate. I don't know. I am very scared, cautious and somehow not satisfied. Or have I forgotten how to be happy? I don't know, but one thing for sure, seeing my people happy makes me happy, even if they are delusional. We have suffered enough, the least we deserve is a moment of peace and justice. I do hope the military stick to their main role; guarding borders. I hope the next gov truly changes the ministry of interior which has killed many of our young people. And I do hope the next ruler, whofuckingever he is, learns the many lessons we have given former rulers during the past two years. I do hope the people of this country sleep happily tonight, including members of the brotherhood (leaders def not included)."
June, 30th, 2013:
We were the ones who first burst out chanting Down down with military rule as soon as the armed forces' spokesperson said they have an alternative political roadmap for us. I denounced the military's interference in the political scene, but then again I found that they only gathered the political forces, Azhar, Church and the Tamarod youth for talks, did not impose any of their views on any of them.
My instant reaction to the armed forces' statement announcing they have a roadmap for us was "down down with military rule and the army's interference in the political scene". But all I saw afterwards was that they only gathered the revolutionary forces, and the revolutionary forces, including the youth of Tamarod, made the decision. The army does not need to interfere in the political scene while they control like 40 % of the country's economy! That is what we should be fighting against, not accept the tyranny of an unjust ruler, fearing another.
Egypt has had many million man marches ever since Morsi's ouster. We wanted to hold many million man marches all over Egypt, even after Morsi's ouster, to ensure that we, the People, are the sole decision makers in the country. It is a clear message to ikhwan, the opposition, and most importantly the military and police, that our free will and demands are the two factors changing the political scene in Egypt.
Tamarod, representing the revolutionary youth, are the ones who have done all the work. They are the ones who revolted against Mubarak, the junta and Morsi, never asking for any political post/interest. They are the ones who have wandered each single city and street gathering signatures against him, as a democratic way to oust him!
Saying that the army is the one making decisions and ousting Morsi is not only unfair, but delusional too. Turning a blind eye to the 33+ millions who marched against Morsi and to the 22+ millions signatures against him is delusional.
What legitimacy? What democracy? We have elected a president based on his promises of reform, and he has done nothing concerning this regard. Worse, he has made it worse. Military trials for civilians had not been stopped, killing of protesters, jailing journalists and activists for TWEETING, and putting Egypt at the doorstep of a civil war, are all part of Morsi's achievements.
Chance? Yeah. Let us give morsi his chance to leave us many jikas killed, imprison many Hassan Mostafas and Domas, leave many minors in military prisons, exclude all the other political forces, appoint more Ikhwanis in executive and crucial positions, leaving all the experts out of the scene, drowning Egypt more and more, APPOINTING SCAF MURDERERS AS HIS PRESIDENTIAL CONSULTANTS AND HONORING THEM WITH MEDALS.
(This group of pro Morsi campers (I met them at Raba where they are staging their sit in) CLAIMS to have been against military rule, spoke well against former SCAF members and denounced Islamist support of the SCAF, But now speaks of legitimacy)
An MB supporter once asked me: "If you take an exam, and I tell you that the time of the exam is 4 hours, do I have the right to take the answer sheet from you after only one hour?"
Me: What if I violate the rules and cheat? Yes, that gives you the right to take my paper, AND punish me for it too. I am the one who did not respect the rules in the first place!
Morsi is the one who violated the rules, did not fulfil a single promise. It is not the people that do not respect your own sick definition of "democrazy"
Want Legitimacy? Define it for me first!
Give me Jika's legitimate right to join a university, graduate and lead a normal life, and I give Morsi his legitimacy back.
Give me Samira Ibrahim's, and 17 other women, right not to be criminalized when the junta subjects them to virginity tests, with Islamist blessings, and I would give Morsi his legitimacy back.
Legally pursue all the police officers who have killed protesters since 2011 until 2013, and have been cleared by court and I would give Morsi his legitimacy back.
Stop Morsi from accusing Christians and opponents of fighting against Islam, not his policies, and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
Make Morsi withdraw the medals of honor he has given the SCAF members and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
Give Egyptian youth & politicians their right to participate in the political scene which has been unlawfully occupied by only Morsi's supporters and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
Make them nullify the "protest Law", which gives the police the right to violently disperse any sit in, using live ammo, which has been proposed by their Shoura council in trying to stop us from protesting against the SCAF, and I'd give Morsi his legitimacy back!
Make Morsi stop using his supporters, relying on them to fight his battles against us, instead of resorting to even the security forces, starting a civil war between the people of the same nation, and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
We were the ones who protested and got killed in front of the Isareli embassy, while the glorious MBs did cut the diplomatic relations with the Zionist entity, CRIMINALIZED us for protesting, gave SCAF the right to order OUR ARMY troops to kill us there and in many places. And after Morsi became president, he sent Perez love letters, LITERALLY love letters. What did he do the Camp David accords? Did he close the embassy?
I have interviewed people in four different squares, and they all said that they know for a fact that junta is not going to interfere in politics, and if they do, we will stop them, because we have tried them again. It is true most of them naively trust the new army generals are different and better than SCAF members, but it is also true that they said they would stand against them if they turned out to be the same or worse.
If you don't speak to the millions marching, shut the fuck up!
NO. We do not trust the military, never will, and that is why you still can see us holding million man marches even after his ouster!
And let it be known that the fight between the MB and the military does not mean that any of them are good. Both are power hungry criminals fighting over interests.
Let's wait to see who is going to win, and then fight the other who would be still killing us again for political & economic interests. But let us do so while we are not being turned into monsters who justify any of their crimes against each other or against us.
(Morsi honoring SCAF members & appointing them his presidential consultants, after previously vowing to legally pursue them for what they have done to us; killing, torturing, and detaining thousands of our revolutionary youth.)
MB's true battle now is not between them and any sorta "regime", regardless of how good/bad we think this current "regime" is. It is between them and the people, everyday life people, and stupid as they are, they are making it worse with those street battles widening the rift and spreading their battle which has surpassed the political scene with its political & military figures and has been moved to the streets with everyday life normal citizens! Again, they are the main reason, one of many, why the people are enraged & fully reject them. They have totally & completely lost the People!
And again, it is such a huge difference between those who have chanted against military rule, since day one, and got killed while demanding retrieving the rights of ALL martyrs of the revolution & meeting demands of the revolution, and between those who started chanting against military rule only when power was taken away from them.
I refrain from making any comments untill the picture becomes more clear.
Down with military rule. Down with military aggression. Down with MB injustice. Down with MB lies & rule. Down with Mubarak and his former regime remnants. And glory be to those who have been killed since 2011 until today, yes, including pro Morsi campers!
If you can not take any side, fearing military rule and rejecting MB rule at the same time, then do not take any sides at all. I chose to side with those who marched in millions in the streets. But I would not hesitate a second to march against military rule, even if alone at any point I feel they represent a threat to us again. Choosing the less of two evils is still choosing an evil. Make up your own minds. They ALL have blood of martyrs' on their hands. They all were using the same foreign policies with the Zionists and the gulf countries too. None of them restructured the police. None of them supported freedom of expression or press. None of them freed us from our subordination to the West and the US. Do not side with a monster fighting against another.
Don't be an opportunistic MB and justify the military violations & crimes, just like they used to do with us when they were in power, justifying SCAF crimes against us just to appeal to them and stay in power, get the parliament. Don't lose your revolutionary spirit and accept any military violations. And do not be a mindless sheep thinking any of those who voted for Morsi and are now marching against him are Islamophobes.
Give the Egyptian activists a break from your arrogant & patronizing criticism.
I am just gonna watch now, will visit both, the opponents and the supporters, and will try to depict a true image of what is truly happening. Other than that, I will have to wait so long before taking sides, but let it be known, at any time millions like those who have marched on June, 30th march again, I will join the march, regardless of anything, regardless of what is happening on the political scene at this time.
Morsi in the first round got only 20% of the votes. In the second and because it was either Shafiq or Morsi, people, mostly revolutionaries voted for Morsi, disregarding how much MBs and Islamists have victimized them in trying to appeal to the SCAF, get the parliamentary seats, and they have blessed them for killing us...most people voted for Morsi nonetheless for not wanting military man Shafiq in power, including 16 y-o Jika who voted for him for the same reason and got killed protesting against his policies.
People gave Morsi legitimacy through the ballot boxes, and took it away from him in the squares!
Morsi & the MB are the ones who have long been cooperating with the SCAF, justifying their crimes, criminalizing us for revolting against the military junta. Islamists had accused Tahrir Woman who has been stripped off her clothes by the army, of starting it, attacking the military forces, undressing herself too. They have demanded in their Islamist owned parliament that the police be armed by more weapons against "thugs" of Mohamed Mahmoud, aka revolutionaries against the SCAF. Hundreds have lost eyesight and have been killed ever since SCAF rule & MB collaborating with them during that time, and starting from ikhwan rule till our present time. The MB have facilitated, justified and participated in the army's crimes against protesters all through 2012.
The first time I protested against Morsi was 4 months after he had become president after he had issued a very oppressive and patronizing constitutional declaration, violating the rules of the constitutional court and the Law in general, and worse, he had immuned all his decisions, rather orders, issued in this declaration, saying it bluntly that no one, not even the judiciary, has the right to object. . At first I was not calling for the removal of the 4-months-old regime. I was only asking for my legal & constitutional rights after a revolution that took half of my friends, to guarantee the country would not be ruled again by one giant dictator who controls everything, has all powers.
At this protest, we were staging a very peaceful sit in (until the young members of MB came from 6-7 different cities in buses to attack it, which has resulted in many deaths) against Morsi's constitutional declaration and the the constituent assembly whose members are only Islamists. I don't have a problem with Islamists. I have a huge problem with the domination of one political force on the political scene, and the exclusion of all the other forces.
Journalist AL Hussieny ABu Dief was killed by them. He was only filming, performing his journalistic duty. they attacked him, killed him, stole his camera, and did this with many other reporters.
(Al hussieny abud dief, a journalist killed by ikhwan 4 months after morsi became president.)
They started to abduct many protesters, and the police stood silent, and the torture camps started, IN FRONT OF THE GATES OF THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACE. Even if Morsi did not ask them to do so, although he bulntly did in a speech, he did not stop them either.
Many different people, from many different social statuses came to stage the sit in, even former diplomats did.
(Former diplomat Yehya Zakareya tortured by Ikhwan. P.S: he resigned under Mubraka in protest of his policies.)
http://hebafaroukmahfouz.blogspot.com/2013/03/memories-from-first-clash-between.html
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(Jika celebrating Morsi's win at Tahrir square, Mohamed Mahmoud street)
(Photo of Jika after he had been shot in anti-Morsi protest in Tahrir, same spot where he chanted for Morsi.)
(This is one of the many friends of Jika when we were in his funeral march, passing through Tahrir in honor of his activism after he had been killed.)
The same nation which a small part of it voted for Morsi has a bigger part of it now rebelling against him.
Revolutionary stance on Pro Morsi sit-ins:
I go to pro Morsi sit ins, trying to break the media blackout concerning their sit ins, and I'm against the media blackout regarding what is happening now at the #ikhwan sit ins, would never accept security forces' crackdown on them. This revolution started as an idea...for freedom, equality, bread and social justice. Ikhwan excluded all other forces from the political scene, and that was their biggest mistake, and the cause of their demise ( I am not gloating because they are "defeated now. That is so immoral), but they have taken away many rights from us, which they are asking for now. Right is right. wrong is wrong. and a principle remains a principle! Kill me, but I feel that the normal ikhwani members, not the leaders, believed they were fighting for an idea/project too. And regardless of how much I dislike it and disagree with it, but I know what a dream represents to a person, and it pains me that they now feel like their dream has been stolen, and I am not analyzing this politically, but...humanly maybe? I am not happy with how they feel now, not at all, but I do hope they learn from their mistakes and know that if they cause an injustice to people, the people are going to get their rights back. I hope every single politician, including, and especially the military, know for sure that this nation has tried and experienced many things in the past two years, and we are not going to be fooled again, and won;t settle for less. Down with Mubarak. Down with military rule forever and always, down with Ikhwan's rule and injustice. I still can not celebrate. I don't know. I am very scared, cautious and somehow not satisfied. Or have I forgotten how to be happy? I don't know, but one thing for sure, seeing my people happy makes me happy, even if they are delusional. We have suffered enough, the least we deserve is a moment of peace and justice. I do hope the military stick to their main role; guarding borders. I hope the next gov truly changes the ministry of interior which has killed many of our young people. And I do hope the next ruler, whofuckingever he is, learns the many lessons we have given former rulers during the past two years. I do hope the people of this country sleep happily tonight, including members of the brotherhood (leaders def not included)."
June, 30th, 2013:
We were the ones who first burst out chanting Down down with military rule as soon as the armed forces' spokesperson said they have an alternative political roadmap for us. I denounced the military's interference in the political scene, but then again I found that they only gathered the political forces, Azhar, Church and the Tamarod youth for talks, did not impose any of their views on any of them.
My instant reaction to the armed forces' statement announcing they have a roadmap for us was "down down with military rule and the army's interference in the political scene". But all I saw afterwards was that they only gathered the revolutionary forces, and the revolutionary forces, including the youth of Tamarod, made the decision. The army does not need to interfere in the political scene while they control like 40 % of the country's economy! That is what we should be fighting against, not accept the tyranny of an unjust ruler, fearing another.
Egypt has had many million man marches ever since Morsi's ouster. We wanted to hold many million man marches all over Egypt, even after Morsi's ouster, to ensure that we, the People, are the sole decision makers in the country. It is a clear message to ikhwan, the opposition, and most importantly the military and police, that our free will and demands are the two factors changing the political scene in Egypt.
Tamarod, representing the revolutionary youth, are the ones who have done all the work. They are the ones who revolted against Mubarak, the junta and Morsi, never asking for any political post/interest. They are the ones who have wandered each single city and street gathering signatures against him, as a democratic way to oust him!
Saying that the army is the one making decisions and ousting Morsi is not only unfair, but delusional too. Turning a blind eye to the 33+ millions who marched against Morsi and to the 22+ millions signatures against him is delusional.
What legitimacy? What democracy? We have elected a president based on his promises of reform, and he has done nothing concerning this regard. Worse, he has made it worse. Military trials for civilians had not been stopped, killing of protesters, jailing journalists and activists for TWEETING, and putting Egypt at the doorstep of a civil war, are all part of Morsi's achievements.
Chance? Yeah. Let us give morsi his chance to leave us many jikas killed, imprison many Hassan Mostafas and Domas, leave many minors in military prisons, exclude all the other political forces, appoint more Ikhwanis in executive and crucial positions, leaving all the experts out of the scene, drowning Egypt more and more, APPOINTING SCAF MURDERERS AS HIS PRESIDENTIAL CONSULTANTS AND HONORING THEM WITH MEDALS.
(This group of pro Morsi campers (I met them at Raba where they are staging their sit in) CLAIMS to have been against military rule, spoke well against former SCAF members and denounced Islamist support of the SCAF, But now speaks of legitimacy)
An MB supporter once asked me: "If you take an exam, and I tell you that the time of the exam is 4 hours, do I have the right to take the answer sheet from you after only one hour?"
Me: What if I violate the rules and cheat? Yes, that gives you the right to take my paper, AND punish me for it too. I am the one who did not respect the rules in the first place!
Morsi is the one who violated the rules, did not fulfil a single promise. It is not the people that do not respect your own sick definition of "democrazy"
Want Legitimacy? Define it for me first!
Give me Jika's legitimate right to join a university, graduate and lead a normal life, and I give Morsi his legitimacy back.
Legally pursue all the police officers who have killed protesters since 2011 until 2013, and have been cleared by court and I would give Morsi his legitimacy back.
Stop Morsi from accusing Christians and opponents of fighting against Islam, not his policies, and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
Make Morsi withdraw the medals of honor he has given the SCAF members and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
Give Egyptian youth & politicians their right to participate in the political scene which has been unlawfully occupied by only Morsi's supporters and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
Make them nullify the "protest Law", which gives the police the right to violently disperse any sit in, using live ammo, which has been proposed by their Shoura council in trying to stop us from protesting against the SCAF, and I'd give Morsi his legitimacy back!
Make Morsi stop using his supporters, relying on them to fight his battles against us, instead of resorting to even the security forces, starting a civil war between the people of the same nation, and I'd give him his legitimacy back.
We were the ones who protested and got killed in front of the Isareli embassy, while the glorious MBs did cut the diplomatic relations with the Zionist entity, CRIMINALIZED us for protesting, gave SCAF the right to order OUR ARMY troops to kill us there and in many places. And after Morsi became president, he sent Perez love letters, LITERALLY love letters. What did he do the Camp David accords? Did he close the embassy?
I have interviewed people in four different squares, and they all said that they know for a fact that junta is not going to interfere in politics, and if they do, we will stop them, because we have tried them again. It is true most of them naively trust the new army generals are different and better than SCAF members, but it is also true that they said they would stand against them if they turned out to be the same or worse.
If you don't speak to the millions marching, shut the fuck up!
NO. We do not trust the military, never will, and that is why you still can see us holding million man marches even after his ouster!
And let it be known that the fight between the MB and the military does not mean that any of them are good. Both are power hungry criminals fighting over interests.
Let's wait to see who is going to win, and then fight the other who would be still killing us again for political & economic interests. But let us do so while we are not being turned into monsters who justify any of their crimes against each other or against us.
(Morsi honoring SCAF members & appointing them his presidential consultants, after previously vowing to legally pursue them for what they have done to us; killing, torturing, and detaining thousands of our revolutionary youth.)
MB's true battle now is not between them and any sorta "regime", regardless of how good/bad we think this current "regime" is. It is between them and the people, everyday life people, and stupid as they are, they are making it worse with those street battles widening the rift and spreading their battle which has surpassed the political scene with its political & military figures and has been moved to the streets with everyday life normal citizens! Again, they are the main reason, one of many, why the people are enraged & fully reject them. They have totally & completely lost the People!
And again, it is such a huge difference between those who have chanted against military rule, since day one, and got killed while demanding retrieving the rights of ALL martyrs of the revolution & meeting demands of the revolution, and between those who started chanting against military rule only when power was taken away from them.
I refrain from making any comments untill the picture becomes more clear.
Down with military rule. Down with military aggression. Down with MB injustice. Down with MB lies & rule. Down with Mubarak and his former regime remnants. And glory be to those who have been killed since 2011 until today, yes, including pro Morsi campers!
If you can not take any side, fearing military rule and rejecting MB rule at the same time, then do not take any sides at all. I chose to side with those who marched in millions in the streets. But I would not hesitate a second to march against military rule, even if alone at any point I feel they represent a threat to us again. Choosing the less of two evils is still choosing an evil. Make up your own minds. They ALL have blood of martyrs' on their hands. They all were using the same foreign policies with the Zionists and the gulf countries too. None of them restructured the police. None of them supported freedom of expression or press. None of them freed us from our subordination to the West and the US. Do not side with a monster fighting against another.
Don't be an opportunistic MB and justify the military violations & crimes, just like they used to do with us when they were in power, justifying SCAF crimes against us just to appeal to them and stay in power, get the parliament. Don't lose your revolutionary spirit and accept any military violations. And do not be a mindless sheep thinking any of those who voted for Morsi and are now marching against him are Islamophobes.
Give the Egyptian activists a break from your arrogant & patronizing criticism.
I am just gonna watch now, will visit both, the opponents and the supporters, and will try to depict a true image of what is truly happening. Other than that, I will have to wait so long before taking sides, but let it be known, at any time millions like those who have marched on June, 30th march again, I will join the march, regardless of anything, regardless of what is happening on the political scene at this time.
